[Freeflight] Re: near-overnighter

["Bart Van Hoyweghen" <Bart.Van.Hoyweghen@...>]

>>> jajeanpierre@... 3/12/2004 14:23:29 >>>

>I do consider it 
>poor judgement to have birds outside at times when they are least 
>likely to return and instead roost for the night. If, surprise, 
>surprise, they stay out one night that to me is an error in 
>trainer/handler judgement.

I had two overnights when my birds where outside from the morning, they
stayed out the whole day. I can't call them down if they are not around
the house. So where is my error? Leaving them outside from the morning?
Letting them fly far away? Then we disagree about how to freefly.

Contrary to what you believe, I never had overnights when I did leave
my birds fly late during the day.

>My calling this an error has nothing whatsoever to do with whether 
>or not I agree with the amount of liberty your birds have outside. 
>The two issues are unrelated.

So here we don't agree, see the above remarks.

>You try to make make the point that Luna learned not to stray too 
>far close to night fall.

If you had read my previous mail well it states my birds DO fly
kilometers away when I let them fly outside late during the day. The
difference is they come back after 15 to 20 minutes to the house. 
Again, contrary to what you believe they go far away when they fly just
before sunset.

> Why do you assume he learned anything from 
>his one overnighter? How can you possibly know what he did or did 
>not learn? The fact it only happened once does not prove anything 
>about his conclusion to his night out. Again, the two issues are 
>separate and not necessarily related.

I assume this because it happened twice, to different birds. 

In Luna's case the days after (and this behavior lasted even months) he
came back to the house often minutes before Wacko would appear. So
often Luna was already in the house before Wacko would appear.

Wacko (and with him Luna) now comes back way before the sun sets. This
is already a couple of months.

So my assumptions are based on behavior I see, in two different cases,
two different birds.

On what do you base your assumption: 'the two issues are separate and
not necessarily related.'

>You are treading very dangerous ground when you try to prove your 
>theories using scant anecdotal evidence and false logic. While many 
>of us know your history, others new to the list do not. I fear some 
>of your posts can do a lot of harm.

Do you have anything better than anecdotal evidence? The free flying
theory is based on anecdotal evidence!!! Everything 

You call it poor jugdement, others call me lucky or irresponsible. 
Well I'm sick and tyred of being called this way.

Bart