Re: [Freeflight] Re: treat value/Barb's workshop

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> Quoting Mandy Andrea <m.andrea@xWA1yYIHOsLpmYZ4DGvDCzL1Wu4xBWwn4COManIjNJN_km4z7YV-wEzaOFAKDEOiHT8PiiQNuqYx.yahoo.invalid>:
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> > Totally agree with you.  it was a strange
> environment.  but the fact  
> > remains that it was deemed ok to use this tactic
> of no food for 18  
> > hours in order to help birds be motivated for
> treats in a strange  
> > environment.  Should people label her a harsh
> trainer to ask our  
> > birds not be fed just so she can get responses
> from them for her  
> > workshop?
> >  From the opinions of some here, I think they do
> think what she did  
> > is harsh.  But my opinion, after having tried that
> already last year  
> > with Boss, I don't think what she is doing is
> cruel or, as some here  
> > have suggested,  abuse!
> 
> But the key difference is that when it's done for
> the class, it's done *once*,
> for one day.  I think what folks are uncomfortable
> with is the idea of doing it
> on any kind of ongoing basis.
> 
> /emily

Exactly right Emily.  Yes, I did withhold food from
Diara for the training session, and yes I've said on
several occasions that I am against severe food
withholding.  But, I did do it... for one day.
I would not do it continuously.
Bette